Camaro Z/28

"King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider" (king-ginger) 01/04/2014 at 00:25 • Filed to: Z/28

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So, let me get this right...everybody is all "crack pipe" about this?

How far we have come when only a couple of decades ago the WORLD would be freaking out if a car like this existed at all. It reminds me of the Louis C.K. skit about "Everything's amazing and nobody's happy."

Aaron James > King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider 01/04/2014 at 00:32

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The internet in general is pretty much just a cesspool of hate.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider 01/04/2014 at 00:33

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On one hand you're right....the Louie C.K. reference is great.

But on another hand...this thing will definitely be slower straight and curved than an M4, while certainly costing more and being heavier, less nice, and probably less involving. And getting worse mileage. Not like I give a fuck...just pointing out that there is literally no reason to buy this thing over its competitors. Its a very cool car...and I would actually like to have one...but I would not pay 75k for it.

King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment 01/04/2014 at 00:41

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Lol wut?

BeaterGT > King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider 01/04/2014 at 00:43

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Agree wholeheartedly. I hope this car lives up to its name!

IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment 01/04/2014 at 00:43

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I would be seriously surprised if the M4 was faster than this. This lapped the nurburgring in 7:37 while there was light rain. The E92 M3 took 8:05. I doubt that the new M4 will be 28 seconds faster than the outgoing M3. This thing is a monster, for the money I would rather have the upcoming C7 Z06 but this thing is a better performance bargain than anything German.

ESSSIX GmbH - Accountant/Wagon Thumper > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment 01/04/2014 at 00:44

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hush you! 'merica

John Bulzacchelli > King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider 01/04/2014 at 00:46

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Its because its not a Z/28! The Z was a direct competitor of the Boss 302 in the Trans-Am series. Both started with 302ci engines with an emphasis on handling.

This car should have been a 5.0L high-revving (original Tra-Co Engineering 302's were redlining at 7,500RPM!!!) and stripped down to bare bones...

If anything this engine should have been in a higher output SS model.

/End rant

King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider > John Bulzacchelli 01/04/2014 at 00:48

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In the world of cars, names mean everything and nothing all at once (though I personally agree that the nomenclature choices by GM for the retro-launches is mixed up).

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK 01/04/2014 at 00:49

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I don't know, I can see it being very close. The new M3/4 is much lighter than this and the old one, and if it is under-rated anywhere near what the M5/6 is, then it will be making the same or more power than this car. I have also heard that the 8:05 time is very conservative and there is more to be had in the E92, which I can most definitely believe as E60 M5s on PS2s have lapped it much quicker than that, sub-8 minutes by a bit. Don't get me wrong, its a cool car...but I'd rather have a 911 or an M car. That's just me though. I am biased I do admit.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider 01/04/2014 at 00:49

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I could ask you the same question...?

Textured Soy Protein > King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider 01/04/2014 at 00:51

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If you want the best Camaro, cost no option, then the Z/28 is your move.

If you want the best muscle car, same answer. Well, unless you want to go drag racing then maybe the answer is GT500.

But if you instead want the best performance car for your $75k, you have a wealth of options. You can get one of them in the very same dealer as the Z/28: the C7 Z51.

That's not to say the Z/28 is a bad choice. But at its price point, it does have some legitimate competition.

IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK > John Bulzacchelli 01/04/2014 at 00:53

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Where is this mythical 5.0L GM V8 that you speak of? Why would they limit the displacement of the engine for a race series that does not exist. It simply makes no sense, the LS7 is an amazing engine and it's already fully developed requiring no extra money to be spent on development. Also this thing is stripped to the bones with an emphasis on handling.

McChiken116 - Patrick H. > King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider 01/04/2014 at 00:55

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The thing about this is, it's for a market that doesn't exist.

Jayhawk Jake > King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider 01/04/2014 at 00:55

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People don't understand it.

If you or I were given $75k to buy a car, we wouldn't buy this. I mean come on, you can get a Corvette and still have $16 grand! Or insert German sport sedan/coupe !

But that's not who Chevy is hoping will buy this. It's a Camaro, that's the selling point. Have $75k and like the Camaro more than anything else? Here you go, super Camaro.

IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment 01/04/2014 at 01:00

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The M3 GTS which was more powerful and 300lbs lighter than the E92 M3 still took 7:48. The Camaro still got a 7:37 in the rain, meaning there is a lot more than can be gotten out of it. No way is the M4 going to be more than 11 seconds faster than the M3GTS.

You can hem and haw all you want but claiming that it "will definitely be slower straight and curved than an M4" and "that there is literally no reason to buy this thing over its competitors" makes you look pretty dumb.

Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna > King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider 01/04/2014 at 01:01

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I loved the car when it came out. When the Corvette came out, I fell in love with it too, and before these two cars, I really did not like American cars, not to be anti-American or anything, it's just that I never wanted one.

I understand this is a high-spec Camaro, and I've come to accept it was going to be dang expensive and willing to say that it can be price as much as a pretty high-spec Corvette and I'd still say, NP all the way.

Not 20k more. Nope. No.

IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK > McChiken116 - Patrick H. 01/04/2014 at 01:02

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It's a limited run vehicle, only about 3000 per year. They will sell every one they make without trouble.

King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment 01/04/2014 at 01:03

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The "lol" was because the M4 will not be faster than the Z/28. BUT...that is perfectly fine because it is infinitely more of the other things you brought up than the Z/28 (useful, affordable, miserly, pretty, lighter, involving, air conditioned, able to be driven on the street without one of those chairs used for speed boats). They are targeting different buyer groups, and that is great because the world needs variety.

The "wut?" was because you basically did the thing that everyone else on the FP did the moment the price was announced, which is why I posted this in the first place.

That being said, if you were going for meta, I can do nothing but salute you on this because you definitely went full "My Week With Marilyn" on me.

King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider > Textured Soy Protein 01/04/2014 at 01:04

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Yes but what if I want the best Morgan 3 Wheeler?

Textured Soy Protein > King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider 01/04/2014 at 01:05

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The answer is always Miata?

Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna > Jayhawk Jake 01/04/2014 at 01:10

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I sure hope that this isn't Chevrolet's excuse to go like, "Well the Z71 is going to be our halo cars, only makes sense that it costs the most in our line up."

I'm interested to see what they're able to do. Make the Z71 price under $75,000, no one gets the Z/28 Camaro. Make it more, and people are going to be hella pissed.

John Bulzacchelli > IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK 01/04/2014 at 01:12

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"...A race series that doesn't exist."

-This is exactly the problem :)

King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider > McChiken116 - Patrick H. 01/04/2014 at 01:16

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In cars it is all about profit margins and the size of the run; GM knows the demographics and customer pool, my guess is that a large number of these will be quickly spoken for. The bigger issue will be avoiding the temptation to bump up the production numbers after the first MY goes out to avoid depreciation and lot rot. My guess is that this will roll out for maybe 2 or 3 years max, and then be discontinued til the next chassis update.

King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider > Textured Soy Protein 01/04/2014 at 01:17

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I would tend to agree by the Mog is just so choice, even if you have to drive it with a piece of wire holding the the throttle open and a wrench keeping the wheel from dismounting.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK 01/04/2014 at 01:26

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Well, good to know you can add personal insults to what I thought was a friendly conversation.

We will see what happens.

King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider > John Bulzacchelli 01/04/2014 at 01:28

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I'm all for more racing with real cars...or making real cars used for racing.

IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment 01/04/2014 at 02:10

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Sorry that was bit dick on my part, my apologies. It just annoys me that whenever there is a fast American car, especially a muscle car it's almost dismissed out of hand by a huge amount of car enthusiasts. The "literally no reason to buy this thing" irked me more than it probably should have.

Sky Captain Obvious > King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider 01/04/2014 at 02:12

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Didn't Jalop post the leaked documents that this is GM's tactic for getting the last "Real Mericans only go fast straight line" hold outs to come to the world of going fast in straight lines as well as left and right turns. Kind of like come to the dark side, we have cookies. Except it's come to the track side, we have spool valves.

offroadkarter > King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider 01/04/2014 at 02:20

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for 75 grand i'd rather have a ZL1 or a C7 vette

or a GT500 over both

M54B30 > King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider 01/04/2014 at 02:28

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Wait until these owners start talking shit... "Yeah I got a Z28 too, they're pretty much identical..."

I dunno. For $75k there's a lot more enticing options than a Camaro, even if it is a super Camaro. I mean, Jesus, I still think it was designed by a 10 year old. The retro look does not interest me at all. I didn't mind/care when the Mustang and Challenger came out retro but I did laugh a little when I saw the Camaro. And don't think I'm some GM hater - I'm not. I just think it looks goofy. And the Z28, to me, is overpriced. I mean, a Camaro that costs more than a corvette? Yikes.

IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK > M54B30 01/04/2014 at 06:06

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When you look at how fast it is and what time of times it puts up the Vette is really the only thing in the same ballpark in terms of performance/$. This thing went 7:37 around the ring in the wet. It is for a very specific audience, and I think it'll prove very popular with its target market.

King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider > Sky Captain Obvious 01/04/2014 at 08:45

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You had me at spool valves.

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > offroadkarter 01/04/2014 at 09:10

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Ironically, they're all cheaper.

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > M54B30 01/04/2014 at 09:11

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Judging by the badges, that's an IROC-Z, not a Z28.

lucky's pepper > IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK 01/04/2014 at 09:43

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Good on you for owning up and apologizing, we all have dick moments. But everything else you said is spot on. To say there is "literally no reason" to buy a Z/28 is incredibly narrow minded. Judging by the Nurburgring video the exhaust soundtrack alone might justify the price. If I had 75k of throw-away money I'd buy one in a heartbeat!

And I suspect the Z/28, as essentially a street legal racecar, will be a great future investment. Chevy will only sell a handful and quite a few of those will be wrecked on track.

M54B30 > Goshen, formerly Darkcode 01/04/2014 at 12:28

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Wasn't the IROC Z the "faster" of the two anyways? I'm not sure that body style had a Z28

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > M54B30 01/04/2014 at 12:32

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It did, and it was available from the beginning to the end of the production run. The IROC-Z was a more competition-turned version, with more equipment (otherwise people wouldn't buy it), which was sold from '85 to '90.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK 01/05/2014 at 13:38

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Its cool, I can understand.

Like I said, I love the car, I think its awesome. I just really can not see why I myself would buy it. I am more of a euro car guy, to be sure, but I can appreciate a well-done American car that handles well. I just see 75k, plus what will likely be a decent gas-guzzeler tax, and I see an M4 with a few options, and the choice becomes easy for me. Or a used 911, like a year old. I just feel like for close to 80k, especially once you add the AC back (which, I'm sorry, for me is a necessity), I just see better options out there.